Thursday, January 25, 2007

To Think Deep

I received the following email from one of the most respected bloggers in Egypt: Thinkdeep.
Dear Maged,

I read the article you wrote on which you mentioned the perverted life of Prophet Mohamed and the references you used to reinforce your argument. But it lead me to numerous questions that made me confused. I gently request your help in solving these questions,
Thank you:
1) After almost 14 hundreds years and all these Muslims, nobody during these centuries discussed this issue?
2) All these proofs you used, with no offense, I heard it before but in your case, I repeat no offense, are not complete beside it doesn?t take into consideration the reasons of having these Q'uran statements, why they were sent to Prophet Mohamed.
3) I need to put myself in their places and then find an way to attack, I mean there is huge amount of references, why just picking the -ve few ones and neglect the majority which are praising.
4) Prophet Mohamed died long time ago, the responsible of the religion are his followers now, so you should talk and take your questions to them in order to have civilized discussion and get better results, I meant all of us not you specifically
.Is this is true?
I am seriously wanted to know the answers of these thoughts from you, what do you think , how you build your articles, on which arguments?
I appreciate your time and thank you very much.....


First of all, I am truly honored to have received this email. Due to security reasons I did not want to respond to the email and I hope that thinkdeep won't be upset that I am posting his email along with my response in my blog. By the way, this will honestly be the last thing I will write

In response to your first point: After the death of Muhammad, there was a huge (fetnah) in which thousands of Muslims decided to revert back to their old religions. If it was not for Abu Bakr, the successor of Muhammad who crushed these individuals, Islam would have crumbled. Many of those who decided to give up Islam during that time spoke out against the perversion of Muhammad. Also, after the split of Muslims into Shiaa and Sunni, there were a lot of personal attacks from the Shiaa against Muhammad and his wife, Aisha. Also, many Europeans investigated Muhammad and exposed many of the perversions I mentioned in my articles.

2. In response to your second point, you are making an assumption that something was "sent to Muhammad. This is far from truth. Muhammad had friend who was a former Christian priest; his name was Warakah ebn nofal. There is a famous hadeeth that the "divine inspiration" was halted after the death of Warakah. In other words, Warakah took the bible, perverted it, and used old Arabic poetry to make it sound palatable. He was the master mind of the Quran and quite honestly he made such a cheap imitation! I am also not sure what you meant when you said that my evidence was not complete. Please read your Islamic oral traditions very carefully.

In response to your third remark, I think you are making a huge point there, but even those hadeeth in which Muhammad was praised did not show any mercy at all. They reflected a man who is very strong, sexually monstrous, elitist, with an inflated sense of self. Can you really look at these praises and see how sexist, racist they are?

Finally, thinkdeep, I would really like you to be honest with me? Do you think I would be safe to go to a Muslim and tell him/her how I really think about their prophet? Even the media elitist such as the guy in orbit and el beet beetak threatened Father Zakareyah with death. I am nothing compared to him but imagine if I go to a coffee shop and start a conversation with a Muslim about the ill manner of Muhammad? I think I would be killed. The strategy I am following is the best strategy as far as spreading the real information about muahmmad,
You are such a great thinker and I hope my answers satisfy you. I am so humbled by your calmness and wish to learn how to do the same. God bless you!

11 Comments:

Anonymous True Egyptian said...

To Think Deep or Deep Thinker, I offer the chalange I offered to Muhammed who commented on the last article as follows" Dear Anonymous (Muhammad)

I would like to take the point with you regarding Islam and the teaching of the profit Mohamed to his followers.
I do not curse of abuse, but rather I do use logic and knowledge. I hope you do the same, which you seem to be trying.
I do feel sorry and sympathetic towards you, because you can not believe your eyes and what you read? Even it seems to you as blasphemy, but what if it id true? This is the CHALANGE, to check it out, research and find out if it true or not??????
Here are some sites for you to research and come back and tell us if it is true or not?
1- http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/index.asp
2- http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/01/why_i_dont_convert_to_islam_1.html

No2 above has all the references you need and it is written by a scholar of history and religion.

The other issue I would like to take up is “if Islam is truly a religion of peace; Why is it all this killing and hate by Moslems around the world? If this is what god is all about I do not want that god??????? Can you explain to us why is all the hate and killing? Where is the love and peace?
Dear friend I have lived in a mainly Moslem country for some of my life, I have seen first hand what they are like?????

God bless you and I hope that our Lord Jesus Christ forgive you and enlighten you to see the truth. But please research what the Quran says??? And the history of Islam.

4:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Jew in Israel. I disagree with your understanding of Israel and of Islam...i think Israel deserves more credit than you give it and Islam is no worse than other religions. but that is not why i am leaving this comment. Basicly i saw a segment about the Egyptian blogphere on al-Jazera English here in Israel and I wanted to say that i thik what you and your counterparts are doing is great(even if i disagree with you).

2:55 PM  
Blogger maged salamah said...

thanks anonymous. I think Israel made a huge mistake by going to Lebanon instead of Iran last summer. The same mistake that Bush made. until both Israel and the US eliminate the threat of Iran our middle east will be the shit hole it is now. G-D bless

6:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi maged
I didn't understand the word (eliminate the threat of Iran ).
Isn't Iran and Hezbullah are the same coin.
How do you want us to eliminate the threat.?
by words ,by prayers , or blood?

3:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heey >> true egyptian <<

i just noticed ur comment...and what made me embressed is ur
genius questions :S:S WaaaW...
SoO i think that am going to answer them..

SoO lets start with ur 1st question which is "if Islam is truly a religion of peace; Why is it all this killing and hate by Moslems around the world? If this is what god is all about I do not want that god??????? " ... oh my god this question is just so obvious... Islam is truly a religion of peace... if u really read the holy qruan... u will understand what am talking about.. maybe there are some people who distorted our image in this world.. and said that islam asked for that... but in fact ..all the islam want is to make this world better .. islam didnt ask to kill people ..it asked to save people lives.. but what u have done is that u sheted the light on the negative sides of islam which people had created it.. and all this killing and hate by Moslems around the world ...people like u has invented it...by croping the hate between us >>arbs<<.. and the main reason of me not insulting u and ur relgion is that..islam has asked to respect other people and their thoughts and relgions..
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want to hear ur reply
urs
SoOSOo

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look maybe i am posting this comment in a wrong section but i just didn't want to check anymore of this blog. why because people like you maged are smart enough to know that the majority of the egyptians dont have a enough islamic education. so you and alot just like you go on searching everything in the islamic history and try to find a questions which alot of the egyptians muslims will not have any answers for. from this point you start confusing them, this is very low method.
my advice is:

1-If you are really convinced with what you say about islam and prophet mohammed (alaih al salat wa al salam) try discussing it with someone who knows alot about islamic history (dont say that you did this before cuz it is obvious that you didn't.). if you are taking this seriously go to al azhar and talk to and someone who is teaching there and ask him about those questions and you will find the answers which will prove to you that you are completely wrong.

2-if you are just trying to confuse some egyptian muslims, so i guess instead of searching the islamic history of what will confuse muslims, try to read it and understand it. may god help you, and show you the correct path.

i dont care which is correct ( number 1 or 2 ) but you can try and talk to someone who have alot of knwoledge about islam and he will ( with god's will ) help you. try this and someday you will be looking for me to thank me.

4:14 AM  
Blogger Modern Pharaoh said...

I think Maged is blaming all on Islam because he knows NOTHING about it except what he sees from "Muslims" Remember "Muslims" don't always reflect Islam.

Egyptians weather "Muslims" "Christians" or even "Jews" Mostly act the same and have the same disregard for law, and the system, and have the same social ills!

Maged forgets that during the Islamic age Egypt was a shinning star, Mohamed Ali, Khedive, even Amr Ibn el As, those people all did great things for Egypt and brought it into light, and those people were more observant of Islam than anyone is now!!

Egypt is secular by nature, and has to be, the problem it faces now is the Extremists uneducated people who rely on any "fatwa" given by any idiot!

Do i agree Muslims are a major problem in Masr: YES!

But is Islam as a religion the problem? NO!

Maged is an extremist such as all those other people!

At least i can tell you that Muslims respect and have to respect JESUS, unlike Mr Maged the douche bag!

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Muslim said...

OH GOD!!!!!! man, try getting educated instead of just throwing wrong claims, warakah ibn nofal deid after the first relevation to the prophet muhammed. Further more, i want you to explain to me in great detail how muhammad (or warakah as u state), a person that has died 1435 years ago, is supposed to know that the earth is round, or that iron cannot be created on earth and therfore has come on comets from exploded stars that have un out of hydrogen. like stated in surat al hadid. Or how would he have known that at a certain time that the moon got cracked and has a huge crack around its circumference like nasa has JUST found out. Or maybe the stages of creation of the baby in a mother's stomache. Or how about the pharaoh that got drowned int he red sea (french scientist just found the body as god says in the quran "we will preserve his body to make from him an exampe to the world") Or maybe .... or maybe..... or how about ......

I CAN GO ON FOR EVER. all of these were not stated in the bible nor were they easy to find out. i can tell you a million more if you'd like. Just email me on mcfacebook@hotmail.com and i have not explained each on carefully, if you want me to explain anyone or give you evidence from the quran, just email me requesting to.

I hope i made things clear.

AND PLEASE, try speaking in a more civilised manor.

11:26 PM  
Anonymous Muslim Community on Facebook said...

OH GOD!!!!!! man, try getting educated instead of just throwing wrong claims, warakah ibn nofal deid after the first relevation to the prophet muhammed. Further more, i want you to explain to me in great detail how muhammad (or warakah as u state), a person that has died 1435 years ago, is supposed to know that the earth is round, or that iron cannot be created on earth and therfore has come on comets from exploded stars that have un out of hydrogen. like stated in surat al hadid. Or how would he have known that at a certain time that the moon got cracked and has a huge crack around its circumference like nasa has JUST found out. Or maybe the stages of creation of the baby in a mother's stomache. Or how about the pharaoh that got drowned int he red sea (french scientist just found the body as god says in the quran "we will preserve his body to make from him an exampe to the world") Or maybe .... or maybe..... or how about ......

I CAN GO ON FOR EVER. all of these were not stated in the bible nor were they easy to find out. i can tell you a million more if you'd like. Just email me on mcfacebook@hotmail.com and i have not explained each on carefully, if you want me to explain anyone or give you evidence from the quran, just email me requesting to.

I hope i made things clear.

AND PLEASE, try speaking in a more civilised manor.

11:27 PM  
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