Wednesday, April 05, 2006

You Cannot Adopt a Child in Egypt

In my last post I started a series of discussions about societal ills in Egypt and promised to show you how they stemmed from the perverted and sick teachings of Muhmmad. I started with the inhumane treatment of Muslim women and will now discuss the inhumane treatment of orphans. Did you know that Islam forbid the adoption of children: Here is a verse from the Quran verifying that:

"...Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful."”Sura al-Ahzab 33: 4-5

In other words, if your biological father made a mistake with your biological mother, you are doomed for life. You cannot take the name of your adopted father and you cannot inherit him. I remember a scene from a very popular movie called ‘Khatayah” or “ sins.” by Abdel Halim. The adoptive father was furious that this adopted son wanted to marry the daughter of his best friend. Rather, he wanted his biological father to marry her. When the adopted son questioned his father’s decision, that father slapped him in his face and screamed at him by saying. “You are not my son; you are a bastard.” Adding insult to the injury, the father of the girl he loved was adamant that his daughter should not marry him because he is a “bastard.” This adoptive father was doggedly following Muhammad’s perverted teaching and never let his heart accept this son. He also favored his biological son over him and wanted to destroy the lives of 3 people: his adopted son, his biological son, and the girl.

The question is why Allah and Muhammad conspired against orphans and marginalized and stigmatized them. The answer will really shock you and will make you lose any atom of respect you used to have for Muhammad and his religion. Muhammad did have an adopted son called Zaid, who was married to a woman called Zeinab bent Gahsh. Due to his incredible lust and his insatiate sexual appetite, Muhammad wanted to have sex with this woman after seeing her semi-naked in his adopted son’s house. He asked his Allah if he can marry her and Allah told him that he can because he should not have adopted her husband, Zaid, at the first place. I know some idiots will say that I am lying- I have been getting emails accusing me of that. Here is a verse from the Quran where Allah is telling Muhammad that it is okay to marry Zeinab (Can you believe this):

"When thou saidst to him whom God has blessed and thou hadst favoured, 'Keep thy wife to thyself; and fear God', and thou wast concealing within thyself what God should reveal, fearing other men; and God has better right for thee to fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, then We gave her in marriage to thee, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted son, when they had accomplished what they would of them; and God's commandment must be performed."
Sura al-Ahzab 33:37

In short, People in Egypt cannot adopt orphans and give them their names because of Muhammad’s perverted desire to marry the wife of his adopted son. What can I say? What a travesty!!!!


Blogger xavier said...

Well that certainly explains why the Moslems countries aren't signatories to the Venezuela convention against child kidnapping (in custody cases) and why it's hopeless to enforce ANY treaty dealing with child custody and Moslem countries.
Personally, I'd make it a precondition for any travel, trade or educational opportunities that if ever a Moslem man kidnaps his children and hides them in a Moslem country, that they be returned to the mom or else.
The consequence is that the Moslem country in question loses access and those that are present are booted out.

The story you cite is the one that I use to demonstrate the falsity of Islam. Jesus bluntly stated that divorce is a holy order and that no man could ever undo. So come God repuidated Jesus? How did the Christains and Jews so corrupt the sacrement of marriage that he revoked its sanctity?
Also, Aisha saw through Mohammed for the fraud that he was when she complained that your Allah grants you what you wish.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Egypeter said...

I would like to hear a Muslim apologist come and explain this.

I've read this before several times. It's so against all of the aspects of love and humanity. So sad

2:38 PM  
Blogger maged salamah said...

I wonder what would Sara say in response to my posts. She would not dare to debate with me.

7:33 PM  
Blogger maged salamah said...

What happens to children in Egypt is a travesty but what happens to Aisha is worst crime ever committed on a child!

7:35 PM  
Blogger xavier said...

I've always been curious about Aisha's story. How did Mohammed manage to get his hands on her?
What happend to Aisha when the old lecher died?


9:08 PM  
Blogger maged salamah said...

Aisha was 18-years-old when Muhammad died. Of course, this man was selfish enough to write a verse in his Qur'an forbidding his women from remarrying after his death. To deal with her sexual frustration, Aisha became politically involved. She took the side of the Sunna against the Shiaa. The Shiaa accuse her of conspiring to Kill Ali, their leader, and his 2 sons. They celebrate their deaths in a religious holiday called “Ashorah.” As part of their celebration, they chant against Aisha and call her whore.

10:06 PM  
Blogger xavier said...

Thanks. I'm familiar with Ashora and the deaths of Ali in a well known battle.
OK further question, was Ali Mohammed's favourite and was Aisha deeply resentful of Ali's status?

Also what happened to Mohammed's other 'wives' and concubines after his death?

9:04 AM  
Blogger maged salamah said...

Well Xavier, the oral traditions say that Ali who was both Muhammad's cousin as well as his son in law, wanted to marry another woman. Of course, Muhammad did not let him do that because of his favoritism for his daughter Fatma. The Shiaa claimed that the angel was supposed to give the divine inspiration to Ali but made a huge mistake and gave it to Muhammad. Accordingly, they give more prominance to Ali.

As far as Muhammd's wives were concerned. They were ordered by the Qur'an not to marry again and we do not know what happened to them.

4:49 PM  
Blogger xavier said...

Thanks for the update as to what happened to Mohammed's wives.
What a minute, Gabriel was supposed to give the message to Ali and not Mohammed? Whoa this gets complicated. In any case, that's more evidence that public revelation was closed after the death of St John.
Islam's obvious incoherence with revelation is proof enough that God didn't send Mohammed any message but certianly someone else did.

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7:53 PM  
Anonymous Dragonlady said...

You are correct. Also because of muhammad's perversion, muslim woman cannot actually take their husbands name (then they try to claim it as a right). Another perversion is that if a girl is born to unmarried parents the biological father is not her 'real' father. She cannot take his name even if he is willing nor does he have to support her. The major islamic schools of law say this means the father can marry the girl ( or have her as a sex slave)

3:44 AM  
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9:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’d like to start out by saying how extremely disappointed I am with the way you’ve presented your information. I think human nature is for us to differ in beliefs, argue and talk things through but I do not think any faith (especially Christianity and Judaism) or just plain human morality has ever preached or taught disrespect to people’s faith and things they hold most sacred. I think you’re entitled to your own opinion, but respect or at least speak respectfully of what 1.6 billion people in the world claim to believe or at least present it correctly and fairly.

I would like to start with your statement concerning orphans and adoption in Islam and according to Prophet Muhhamad’s teachings. Prophet Muhammad said that a person who cares for an orphaned child will be in Paradise with him, and motioned to show that they would be as close as two fingers of a single hand. The ulitmate goal for any Muslim is to enter in to paradise and be close to all those they love, including and especially the Prophets.

Islam fully supports the concept of helping the orphan and poor, and taking them under your wings. If there is no one to take care of the orphan and poor children, then this responsibility falls upon the Islamic government. Prophet Muhammad was an orphan himself . He also adopted a former slave, Zaid, and raised him with the same care as if he were his own son. The only difference that lies between Islamic ruling with adoption is that the child's biological family is never hidden; the biological ties to the child are never severed. The adopted should be treated kindly but his genealogy and his real family name should always be known and kept to him. This is after all his inherent right.

This is the concept of the verse that you mentioned earlier:
"...Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful."

There are also several verses in the Quran that you failed to mention that speak about the treatment of orphans in the Quran.

They ask you what they should spend. Say: whatever you spend of good must be for parents and kindred and orphans and the poor who beg and the wayfarers, and whatever you do of good deeds, truly Allah knows it well. (2:215)

Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor who beg, the neighbor who is near of the kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer, and those whom your right hand possess. Verily Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful (4:36)

Those who `swallow' the property of the orphans unjustly, are actually devouring fire into their bellies and they shall enter the burning fire.” (4:10)

2:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, concerning when you speak ill of Prophet Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, did you ever think of why this topic was never debated during his time? They picked on just about everything with him but this was a topic that was never touched Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam. This was something that was never debated or brought up during that time, suggesting that this was something common to that time. Aisha had suitors before Muhammad. He was not the first to approach her. It should be noted that in the hot regions, it's normal for a girl to attain maturity at a very early age. Physicians maintain that the age of puberty in the hot regions normally ranges from 9 to 16.. Now, I’ am not here to explain the logic behind it but I do think it’s funny when people bring this topic up, especially that in all of the Abrahamic faiths and through history this has been something that was commonly practiced by people and prophets both believed by Muslim, Christian and Jewish alike.

Here are just some sources I found but could certainly find more if we searched.

According to the Priest of Saint Mary's Catholic Church: "Mary was approximately 14 years old when she got pregnant with Jesus. Joseph, Mary's Husband is believed to be around 36. Mary was only 13 when she married Joseph. When she first was arranged with Joseph she was between 7 to 9 years old."
According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.
Regarding the Marriage of Mary to Joseph, Catholic Encyclopedia says:
"When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place."

Note: That article on Catholic Encyclopaedia obtains its information from early
Christian writing including apocryphal writings.

The Catholic Encyclopaedia goes on to conclude "...retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God."

2:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’m not here to put down Christianity, Mary or Jesus Christ because they are dear to my heart and the core of my beliefs. As a society we’ve only become good at criticizing one another with out actually examining what lies beneath, with out actually understanding. I’m not asking or expecting you to believe what I believe or vice versa, but I am asking respect. This world will never change or get any better if we don’t start respecting each other and begin to show love. Jesus preached love and kindness and would have never spoken ill of someone’s beliefs. He taught truthfulness and mercy. If you see faults in Muslims, Christians or Jews, don’t blame it on the faith. Just because someone might not practice correctly doesn’t mean they represent the whole faith. The Christians that bombed abortion clinics do NOT represent Christians or Christianity. All I am asking is for you to speak more kindly when you speak of someone’s beliefs. Even if you don’t agree with it or believe it, speak fairly, kindly and show love for humanity. If you’re doing this as a research based, your information is not accurate or complete. I truly pray that God guides us and brings peace and love back in our hearts and lives. I pray that life finds you well. I was not here to judge or be mean but to point out a few things, that if you are a true believer of Christ, Moses, or just care for mankind, you would not want to miss. I hope that life finds you well.

I apologize for the multiple comments but it would not allow it in one comment (too large).

3:00 AM  

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